45. Line 5: The Heretic

Speaker A: 00:00:00

What happens a lot for fifth lines is people tend to pedestalize the fifth line because they see there's something that this person knows. Kind of like with the second line, like ah, this person has a natural gift.

But with the fifth line, the natural gift transfers into this ability to express truth and wisdom. And so there can be a lot of like guru ifying that happens with the fifth line.

And then on the other side of that, we dehumanize the fifth line by making them a guru in our minds, by projecting onto them the wisdom and truth that's available to all of us. We can see that on the fifth line. It gets mirrored back to us. Wisdom, truth, the sage in all of us.

Anything we see in a fifth line as being like very true and very wise. In order to see it, we have to have that in ourselves.

But the fifth line offers us a mirror to tap into the universal truths that we have access to as well.

Speaker A: 00:01:02

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Speaker A: 00:02:28

Line 5 heretic here we're moving out of the foundation of the upper trigram and into this middle section of the upper trigram where I like to use the word synthesis, in the fifth line, we are synthesizing, we're integrating, making more natural, synthesizing. What foundation was built in the fourth line, the foundation of the transpersonal realm.

We refer to this as the universalization piece in the process. In the house, this is the second floor window.

So we can see the harmonic between the two and the five through these concepts of synthesizing, making more natural, integrating on what was built in the foundational line. And in the house, we can see the harmonic via the windows. There's this theme of being seen through a window. But look at the difference in the house.

In the second line, the lights on, you're at eye level, street level, first floor window, and people are watching. You're projecting something out. It's a Yang line. You're projecting something out and people notice what is natural in you.

They notice your talent, they notice what you're doing, even though you might be just. Just doing it for yourself in your own process, you're. It's a personal line. In the fifth line, this is a transpersonal line.

So you can see this shadowy figure in the second floor window is looking out. The second line guy is playing his guitar. He's orienting to himself. The fifth line guy is looking out. It's elevated. It has similar to like we.

I talked about mountains, environment. The fourth color, fourth line is elevated. They're looking out at the network. The fifth line is even higher than that.

It's almost in a way, sort of removed from the network. And it's looking at the whole network from above.

Looking out from the second floor window, but from the street level, you can notice that there's a figure up there on the second floor, but you cannot see as clearly what's happening as you can. Looking into a first floor window where the light's on and the fifth line is again.

So it's not necessarily projecting out the way the second line less consciously is.

The fifth line is receiving projections because people look up and they can see the silhouette of something, but they can't quite make out what's happening.

And so they fill in a story about all the details of that because they can't actually see right versus with the second line, there's an element of that they're watching and they don't really know the, like, the true nature, the whole picture of these people, but they can clearly see the thing they're looking at. With the second line, you can clearly see the natural gift and the talent.

And you might make assumptions that they're fine you might make assumptions that there's not hard stuff going on or whatever. Like that example I used and what I sometimes notice about how I orient to second lines.

But in the fifth line with the second story window, you, you can't see anything clearly.

So you don't even get to see like the truth of, of that being the way that with the second line you get to see the truth of at least a fragment of that being. And with the second line, it's almost like you can see their gift better than they can see it themselves. But, but with the fifth line, it's like the.

There's such a fog over what you see. And so people fill in a lot of projections around what it is they're seeing.

They see what they need to see, or they see what they think they want to see. And we're getting into some more complex energy here. Right? We are moving into the solar plexus binary.

For 1 and 2, we were in splenic binary themes of safety and security. For three and four, we were in ajna binary.

Movement, mutation, instability, the shift from the personal to the transpersonal, from the lower to the upper trigram, change, adaptation and externalization. And now as we get into 5 and 6, we're getting back into the complex multidimensional spirit consciousness feeling of the solar plexus.

We're in the solar plexus binary here. Spirit consciousness, multidimensionality. So 5 and 6, you know, they're the most evolved part of the process.

They're coming towards completion for the sixth line. And the fifth line is universalizing, finding a universal way to orient to all the pieces of what's been covered thus far. So like experiential. Right.

I talk a lot about the solar plexus and in particular emotional authority, being experiential.

The fifth and the sixth, what they know and what they see and how they operate and what they offer as characters five and six are about the experiential. So they contain within them the experience of all of these steps below them.

And they're universalizing or role modeling what is known from the process as a whole. So fifth line, upper trigram, so transpersonal.

We're influencing the other with what we've learned, which was true in the four and will be true in the six as well. In the fifth line, we are harmonic to the second line.

So where the second line is like just immersing themselves in this process, hermitting out and becoming natural with integrating based on the foundation that was built in the first line. The fifth line is doing that, but based on the foundation of the relational realm, the foundation of the transpersonal.

So where the fourth line sort of takes the first steps to build a solid foundation for externalizing, for influencing the other, the fifth line is becoming natural at an integrating and kind of going to the next level of being able to influencing the other, synthesizing the process of influencing the other, practicing, disseminating what you know.

The fifth line, also sometimes referred to as the universalist or the messenger, is seeking to distill what is known to a core message so that it can be broadcasted far and wide and recognized and internalized by as many people as possible. So the theme of projection shows up here as well, of like projecting my voice.

I'm not just talking to the person next to me, fourth line, I'm projecting this because I want this message to get as far as possible. So fifth lines are doing this with the way they externalize.

Both fourth lines and fifth lines externalize, but fourth lines aren't necessarily concerned with their message reaching everyone. It happens a lot with fourth lines.

But when fourth line messages reach a big amount of people, it happens through like the game of telephone, feeding the grid one by one by one. When a fifth line's message reaches people, it's because they had this one proclamation that was able to be heard by more people.

And in order for a message to be heard by more people, it has to be stated in a way that will speak to many. So it's kind of depersonalizing its message and its universalization so that as many people as possible can hear it.

So this distillation, this universalization in this way. There's these themes with the fifth line of like practical solutions and universal truths.

It naturally orients towards getting to the core of the message, right, the distillation.

And so when there's a problem, the fifth line can kind of show up with the practical solution based on the overarching universal truth that pertains to this problem. So tend to be very solutions oriented. If you study deeper into the profile lines, there's a component of the fifth line that's called the general.

So it's like it's called upon. Similarly to the second line, we call out your natural gifts, the harmonic, here in the fifth line.

But it's called upon specifically to deliver the message that solves the problem in the transpersonal realm. And the fifth line often does this in a heretical way, right?

To share the universal truth of something, to share the universalization requires an orientation away from the personalized Nuances. Now this doesn't mean that fifth lines don't consider the nuance.

As a fifth line myself, I'm always chewing on nuance because I have to look at things from a bunch of different angles to eventually find the way to perceive something and conceptualize something and express something that honors all those different nuanced pieces. Once I have that shape, that core distilled message, I'm not speaking to the details anymore.

I have found a way to voice this universal truth where I don't need to, to like actually directly acknowledge all those details because I found a way to speak it that, that holds all of that within it in a succinct universal message. And this, this is part of what heresy is. Heresy is an opinion or a take on something that is a deviation. It's.

There's descent from what is generally accepted. And the way I think about this is the fifth line is when we get to 5 and 6, there's something unique about 5 and 6 that they are left angle crosses.

I'm going to hit on that just a little bit in the final lecture of the profile segment. 5 and 6, specifically in the personality line are left angle crosses.

And these are people who have a vantage point that's not about the personal realm really at all. It's and. And it's even further removed from the fourth line, like one to one connection, which is transpersonal but is still personal in a way.

The fifth in the sixth line, their heads are above it. They're removed from the ground in a way and they have a vantage point that not everybody has.

And this is what allows the fifth line to arrive to heresy.

The fifth line is able to see the whole picture and sort of remove the personal from it, remove the nuance, remove the distinguishing factors from it in order to offer this truth. And it often sounds like to the people who might want to maintain the status quo, that can sound a lot like dissent or like a challenge to the norm.

So the fifth line is the heretic. They have a heretical message to share that came through the orientation of finding the universality and the distilled core message within a concept.

From this very elevated vantage point, this almost removed vantage point, the fifth line is not so interested in personal advice, better able to influence strangers than those familiar and in fact tend to lose influence as people get closer.

Part of the idea here, part of the performance seduction piece here, is that it can be easy to learn from a fifth line because a fifth line, in coming to this universalization, in orienting to the Universality, the fifth line is almost removing even their own individuality in a way in order to get to that succinct universality.

And so in that way, when you're looking at a fifth line, when you're taking in a fifth line, it's like you are able to remove the individuality of that person to an extent in order to tune into the big picture, the universal message that they are sharing. And the fifth line sort of naturally can lean into that. The bonding strategy for the five is seduce or seduced.

So the fifth line can have this like kind of mysterious, mystical, seductive sort of performance to it. Where it's here I am to solve the problem, to deliver the heresy.

That way of showing up as a fifth line is a part of what allows the message to get far and wide, to be transmitted far and wide, to reach many different people, because they can project whatever they need to project onto you to learn it. They're not having to deal with like your quirks necessarily.

You are representative of this truth, but in, in doing so, in operating that way, which is not necessarily a choice, right? It's just how the fifth line is oriented. There's this potential for the humanity of the fifth line to be removed as well.

And so what happens a lot for fifth lines is people tend to pedestalize the fifth line because they see there's something that this person knows. Kind of like with the second line, like, ah, this person has a natural gift.

But with the fifth line, the natural gift transfers into this ability to express truth and wisdom. And so there can be a lot of like guru ifying that happens with the fifth line.

And then on the other side of that, we dehumanize the fifth line by making them a guru in our minds, by projecting onto them the wisdom and truth that's available to all of us. We can see that on the fifth line, it gets mirrored back to us. Wisdom, truth, like the sage in all of us.

Anything we see in a fifth line as being like very true and very wise. In order to see it, we have to have that in ourselves.

But the fifth line kind of offers us a mirror to tap into the universal truths that we have access to as well. But because of that, the projection field, that's how it's often referred to.

It's like the fifth line just sort of lives inside of a projection field.

And that second, that figure in the second floor window, again, you're looking and you're curious about what it is and you have all sorts of stories about it, but you can't really actually see fully what's in there. And so the fifth line will sometimes kind of lean into that in order to play its role as the heretic and the messenger.

But it's useful to be mindful of that because if a fifth line gets pedestalized, then they can just as easily get, you know, depedestalized and then villainized. And so this happens a lot with fifth lines as well.

When we pedestalize a fifth line, in doing so, unconsciously remove the humanity from them, we then have all sorts of expectations about how we expect them to show up based on what we assumed about that shadowy figure in the second floor window before we really knew anything about them.

And as we start to see that they're not actually perfect, that they are just a human as well, that they just tend to be a human that orients towards these universal messages of TR truth, then we start to villainize them and reject them because we thought that they could offer us this. There were all these expectations of, like, superhuman sort of orientations.

But I see it as like the fifth line's whole thing is wanting to teach something and get the message out. And in order to do that, the nuances in the personality just naturally are not emphasized.

What ends up happening is the we can easily dehumanize a fifth line.

And when we get close to them and we start to see that they are just a person, the depedestalization can happen, but also the ability for that person to influence us can decrease. So where fourth lines are best at influencing people they know well. Right.

Foundational fifth lines are best at influencing people that don't really know them well, who can kind of keep them as this ideal picture, this mysterious figure that has a message to share for me as a fifth line, this idea of we lose influence as people get closer, this is really true.

It's been really interesting for me to see more and more in retrospect, how it's such a weird distinction that people on the Internet who know me as an astrologer, human design teacher, whatever it is that people know me as a character comes up on the windows of their screens of social media or videos, et cetera, or on podcasts. I'm like this removed figure. Not everybody, but the people called to me, you know, they love to learn from me.

There is that kind of seductive quality. They see this capacity that I have for, like, truth and messaging truth, and they're seduced by it.

But then the people close to me, my closest friends, my family, like, literally give no most in most Cases. In many cases, this is an overgeneralization, which I do as a fifth line a lot. But in many cases, there's no interest in learning.

I'm like, guys, I have the codes. I have the codes to consciousness, and there's just no interest. Like, they can't even really hear me.

But it's so, so different when there people are at a distance. When people are learning from me and they don't know the me, they don't know the real human. Kelsey.

They know this character that shows up to deliver the message, to deliver the heresy. Fifth lines deal with projection quite a bit. For better and for worse, right? So this is the yin projection line receiving projections.

The second line is unconsciously putting out a projection. The fifth line is receiving projections.

And I say for better and for worse because just as I sort of demonstrated up to this point with my personal examples, it's that people can project onto me and see this, like, figure that represents the message. That's part of why I'm a good teacher. That's part of what makes people able to learn from me.

You know, I went through a period where I felt very victimy about living inside of this projection field and just constantly being this karmic mirror for everyone to work out whatever it is they need to work out on. But the more that I decondition and the more that I examine it, I'm like, no, but I am a fifth line and I do want to teach.

And that this is a mechanical thing that allows me to be the teacher and be the messenger. And I wouldn't trade that for anything. So it's really just kind of about. It's about awareness, just like everything else. But it can be useful for.

For fifth lines to remember that when you're getting praised, you're getting projected onto. And that makes it easier when, if. If the tables turn or if somebody, you know wants to put you up on a.

Wants to crucify you metaphorically or comes out with the pitchforks.

If you really believed them and put your worth into their praise for you, then it's going to hurt and really be destabilizing when they knock you off that ped.

So for fifth lines, it's really good to just not base your self worth or your sense of truth, of self on what other people think of you, because it tends to be pretty polarized in either direction. And something I've noticed is that I've started to really just not feel safe around people that I can see are, like, gurufied by me.

Like, there's a frequency when people recognize my impact as a manifester or reflect back to me what they've learned from me.

I and feel into a frequency difference between when people are truly just honoring the impact and the influence for what it is and reflecting that back to me. And I love to get that feedback versus when people are kind of guru ifying me.

There's like, I open my eyes when I do it because it has this quality of like, I can just feel somebody's like, getting ready to bow down to me. And to me that's now like, alert, alert, alert. Because the moment that's present, I know that it's very possible.

Well, first of all, this person is not like, seeing me as a person or a human. They're seeing me as this, like, mysterious figure. And they're projecting.

They're almost like giving me their power by projecting their what they feel inspired by onto me rather than acknowledging that it's something, it's a message I shared that unlocked something within them.

And when that happens, then I know it's just as easy and pretty much always inevitable that at some point the version of dehumanization via guru ification will turn into dehumanization via villainization.

I think something I was trying to talk about with the projection field, I got a little swirly about, But I think Ra gets to it pretty well in this quote. So let me read this. It's the second floor window. You can't look in easily and see what's really there. You can only project, you can only guess.

You can think it's this, you can think it's that, but you cannot really know. The fifth line has the advantage in that they can impact others because there is an openness to the possibility that they can deliver.

But if they don't, then they're punished. That is, their reputation is punished. One of my friends, a 3.5emotional manifester, Kat Fitzgerald, connected online.

But we have hung out a couple times in person now. And I remember one of the times that we were like, getting together.

We live in different parts of the country, but that we were getting together, we were talking about fifth line stuff, and we were talking about fifth lining each other.

What's it like as we get to know each other better and just kind of being able to observe and reflect on how our sense of the other over time has changed from the initial projection.

And she said something about how for her, with fifth lines, it's like getting to know a fifth line on a personal level, not on the, like, teacher, messenger level.

But when you get, when you start to tap a little behind the projection field or get curious about what's behind that gray figure in the window, and they let you in, they let you upstairs, they let you in the house and upstairs so you can see beyond the projection field. She used the metaphor of, it's like color by number. It's like you just get this.

These little different pieces of information about that person that often are kind of surprising because when you first come into perception of a fifth line, it's just natural that what happens is you, you fill in a bunch of holes because like Ra is saying here, you can't really know. You just guess. And so as you start to learn details about that person, it's like, ah, okay.

And you're just like, little by little coloring in this picture, those color by number exercises until you have a bigger picture. But it's almost like it never ends. Because even when you get to know the fifth line, the mechanics of the projection field are still there.

One of my first human design teachers, Amy Lee, is a 5:1 mental projector. And I remember her talking about when introducing the fifth line, the fifth lines can get stingy with connection.

And that was like, really interesting to me because it wasn't something that I consciously resonated with right away. But as soon as she said it, I was like, huh? And this is kind of like what I was talking about. This goes into fifth line paranoia as well.

Of like, when I start to notice someone, like, really praising me in a way that feels a little distorted and projectiony, I'm like, But even in general, when there's not praise, like, I, I've noticed sometimes people reach out to me or are like, trying to connect with me. And I, maybe this is a little bit of a manifesto thing too, but I always am a little bit like, what do you want from me?

Like, what is it that you want from me? When people are making a connection with me? Like, there's an assumption that you're trying to get something out of me.

Which makes sense because the fifth line is here for the practical solutions where the, the general. Typically when it's time to interact with the fifth line, there's a particular message or solution that is being desired.

And so oftentimes, like, I, I just think about the contrast to the fourth line.

Like, fourth lines are making connections for the sake of making the connection and building the grid, that there's a different orientation to relationality here. And fifth lines can get kind of stingy. That sense of like, what is it that you want from me? What are you trying to get out of this?

And if it's a fourth line, they're probably not necessarily trying to get anything. They're just making the connection for the sake of the. The connection, right. And then, yeah, fifth line paranoia.

Like over time, as we watch people begin to depedestalize us, we start to become a lot more selective harmonic to the two, but even more so, kind of like paranoid about, you know, who are we even willing to share our message with? Because I don't want to get deep, I don't want to get knocked off this pedestal. I don't want the pitchforks to come.

Karen Curry Parker calls this line the visionary leader and says that it's about serving as a karmic mirror. And I use this language a lot too. The karmic mirror of like. And I'm a 5 2.

So this projection both ways, 25 and 5 twos are just like fully in the projection field.

And the idea here of the carmic mirror is like when you confront a fifth line, or especially a 25 or a 5 2, all that you can really see is the thing that you're projecting. So whatever it is you're thinking about, you're stuck up on your processing and your internal reality.

We're all, regardless of profile line, we're all always projecting onto each other all the time.

That's just the nature of being alive and being your own person who's experiencing things from your own vantage point, whose reality is a reflection of your internal world. The projection field is contains all of us and none of us are free from projection in either direction.

But the mechanics of the fifth line, for all these reasons that I've already dug into, make it so. The fifth line is truly like a mirror.

So whatever it is that's coming up for you is pretty much guaranteed to get reflected back at you very clearly from the fifth line. And without your awareness of it, you're going to think that it's them. So if it's something you love, you're going to pedestalize them.

If it's something you hate, you're going to make them the villain. That's the idea behind the karmic mirror.

The fifth color sound determination digesting best with the right high sound or the right low or absence of sound.

So again, this projection of the voice sound, valleys, environment, also sound has to do with valleys, like being able to hear a message reverberate off of all the different walls of the valley.

But also there's something in valleys about like sitting in a valley and being able to, I think about like amphitheaters, you know, a lot of like outdoor amphitheaters. And really any theater I guess is a valley of sorts. Right. So the way that the, the message or the sound can like fill the space of the entire valley.

Guilt motivation. Guilt motivation. The mind is conceptualized to see what needs to get fixed. So that solutions oriented piece, probability view feels a bit heretical.

Like I know what you want to happen, but here's what is actually likely to happen because I've seen it, I've watched this whole thing, I see the pattern and I kind of see where things are going.

Probability view with the five, it's really important for fifth lines to, to have a sense of detachment from how people perceive you because people just cannot see you clearly.

So for better or for worse, overly emphasizing how people see you is going to lead to your own understanding of self being based on other people's projections rather than the truth of your experience. You know, I mentioned fourth lines are a little better with like personalized support where fifth lines are like the crux of the message.

And so I think one of the reasons that fifth lines don't have a lot of influence over those that know them well is because we only want to show up. Really. We're only wired to kind of show up and offer our message when it's time for the universal solution.

When you're friends with someone or family with someone, or close with someone and you just kind of need to vent, you might want more of the kind of personalized influence and advice and fifth lines just, we're more like, okay, well here's the truth. Do you want to hear the truth? Are you ready for the heretical message? And that's not always what we want, right? So fifth line in context.

So we are able to dig into all four of the fifth line profiles here because we've already talked about the 1, the 2 and the 3. For the 51 and the 5 2, the personality is the heretic.

The person thinks of themselves as having these fifth line characteristics versus for the 25 and the 3 5, it's the design body that is the heretic, which means these are characteristics or qualities of the form unconscious to the personality. So first we're going to look at the 52 and the 2 5. Because these are the harmonic profiles.

For these harmonic profiles, both the personality and the body orient to synthesis this middle part of the trigram. For the heretic hermit, the 5:2, the personality is concerned with delivering the message of universal practical solution.

While the second line body requires privacy to protect and preserve the natural gifts. So you can think about like, I'll just speak from experience. I'm a 5:2 when I'm believing what my mind has to say.

My mind has this character of the fifth line. And so I think that I constantly have to be like churning out these messages and these teaching and broadcasting what I know.

But all along my second line body is like, no, no, no, pull away, not right now. Selectivity hermit. Protect your vulnerable natural gift.

So something I find over time is that as I decondition and I surrender to this requirement of my body for privacy and protection and preservation of my vulnerable natural gifts, what I find is that allowing myself to pull away to just getting back in that hermit space where I'm not so obsessed with like, what is it the message that I have to deliver, just that's what gets me into like study mode and relax mode and just hermiting out, which often, like very quickly naturally feeds the fifth line process. But my mind will want to go do the fifth line thing before I've adequately hermited. Conversely, for the 2 5, the personality is the hermit.

The hermit heretic personality is concerned with privacy for the sake of protecting the natural gifts, while the body requires and will ensure an orientation towards influencing others with a message of universality. It's Almost like the 25 is this kind of like loner hermit that's doing their own thing.

But they constantly are finding themselves in situations where, oh, people are watching. Okay, I guess I have something to learn to teach you from my natural process.

Where for the 5:2 it's like, I'm a teacher, I have something to say, I have a message to deliver. But my body is like, no, no, no, go, go hide. Go protect yourself. But they are harmonic and so they're very easily able to feed into one another.

The five one, the heretic investigator. The personality.

The fifth line personality desires and orients to a delivery of the universal message and of practical solutions, while the body requires and ensures personal foundational security. So I think a lot about both the 51 and the 5 2. There's this phlenic binary in the 1 and 2 orientation where the body needs to protect itself.

But the fifth line's out there saying all this heretical things and collecting all these potentially dangerous projections. So this can be true for both the 5:1 and the 5:2.

But the 5:1 in particular is the body is specifically oriented to security and has a natural awareness of where there's Not a secure foundation. And so there can be a real bumpiness between that fifth line that's like out there delivering messages and receiving projections.

No one can really see me and that doesn't feel safe. The fifth line personality has to surrender to the detail oriented and insecure nature of the first line body.

The fifth line is trying to get to the crux of the truth, right? But the first line body is looking at all the details. The fifth line is big picture.

But the first line body is collecting all the detailed information. And the fifth line personality can rely on the first line body's breadth of knowledge.

Your body, if you're a 5:1, your first line body knows what you are and are not secure enough to universalize. Your body is not going to go out and allow you to start delivering messages without that process of having already built the foundation.

And you can trust that. You can trust that your body knows what you're secure enough to universalize and teach or not.

You can trust that over the projections that others have onto you, which could pull you into savior mode, right? The fifth line mind might make you think, oh, I have to go out there and solve all the problems and be the teacher.

But your first line body knows whether there's a secure enough foundation or not to offer that message.

And on the other side of this coin, Ra would say that the 5:1, which he was, he said the 5:5 ones deal the most with imposter syndrome because the first line body is constantly seeking more and more and more information. And so the first line body, like I've been saying with the line, one might underestimate all that they know.

And that could prevent a 5:1 from actually allowing themselves to play this role of teacher or messenger or heretic because of an obsession with but am I secure enough? Am I secure enough? So it really comes down to for the 5 1, like not basing your sense of security on what other people think of you.

The three five, the martyr, heretic.

The third line personality desires and orients to personal discovery through trial and error, while the body requires and ensures a transpersonal universal approach. Something I've heard 35 say is like they make their mistakes in public a lot, right? Because the third line is not transpersonal.

The third line's not paying all that much attention to what people are that, that people are watching. So in this case, the third line personality is out there just like discovering things for its own pleasure, for its own knowing.

I want to find out, so I'm going to fuck around.

But this fifth line body is ensuring that whatever's happening consciously through that third line process is getting integrated in the body through this transpersonal universal approach.

And because of the fifth line body, even though like for me as a fifth line personality, I am almost consciously inviting the projections by bringing my heresy. But the third line personality isn't in the transpersonal realm, it's just doing its own thing for the process of discovery for itself.

But in the meantime, the fifth line body is collecting these eyes and these projections and the fifth line body is going to naturally take what the third line personality learns and integrate it in a universal way.

So the third line personality can watch, can witness the fifth line body's ability to take the hard lessons learned and influence masses of others with practical lessons.

So again, this idea of like you make your mistakes in public, you're not learning things for the sake of teaching others consciously, but that which you learn through your lived experience is just organically automatically becomes something that through your own process you're able to share with others and others are able to learn from you. Your body just ensures this universalized approach to the meaning, the truth behind what you discover through your personal third line process.

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